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everyone will be out of work in the US
Posted by Burt on 2017-01-24 17:49:46
How about we grow our own crops and keep everyone off our fishing watersd
Posted by Burt on 2017-01-24 17:49:04
This is what obama wanted....lets destroy our country....GO TRUMP....
Posted by Rick on 2017-01-23 16:57:16
I'm not sure anyone will see this now.....but....why, why, why, would Obama want such a horrible agreement?
Posted by Gail on 2017-01-23 10:36:39
It's moot now, but free trade is simply codifying goods across national lines so business can trade, say, fish or cheese or any type of equipment in the same way that one trades commodities. Now, if you want to buy a salmon, which type, how big, how old - is it really the correct species? fresh or salt water, farmed or wild, etc, etc. But if you buy a barrel of light west texas crude oil, it is the exact same oil every time. You don't need to inspect every barrel and often someone will buy it and sell it without actually having taken possession of it. So it does the same to every good under the sun.
But certain industries are protected or idiosyncratic in each region or country. Maybe Vietnamese eat a 'salmon' that's caught in brackish water that's not 100% salmon. Those fisherman are like F you, this is salmon, and everyone else is like F you, no it's not.
Or in the US and most places agriculture is heavily subsidized. This creates distortions that we don't see because we've never known any different. Maybe south american corn tastes good as hell, but it's so expensive that we never bought it. (that's why americans are fat, is the govt subsidizes corn and corn syrup, which makes fake sugar unnaturally cheap.)
So each country is forced to make concessions that they wouldn't otherwise make because of entrenched, rent-seeking special interests. So signing a trade deal is also a way to kiss off XYZ corp that has been protecting its market share and used to be able to get away with selling subpar goods, but now has to compete freely. And they will say or do anything to prevent that from happening.
As a result, yeah, unskilled labor is on the auction block. (it becomes commodified as well) and more competition means ppl have to work harder. in the long run, better because we stay ahead. Bad for the rent-seekers, including unskilled labor who seek to get paid more than they're actually worth for doing a job that literally anyone can do.
Something for everyone to hate and only a moderate amount of good (but vastly beneficial, on balance - besides, what's the alternative, to go backwards?)
The tribunal stuff is a disburse mechanism. Because legislatures aren't beholden to trade deals - ie a new congress might say F your trade deal, we're putting a $5 tariff on Chinese widgets because there's a widget factory in my district and they paid for my re-election. Well the tribunal has to be able to deal w that w/out fiddlef_cking around with 217 national legislatures. Thus extrajudicial, in that sense.
America also sticks labor protections in there so foreign companies can't run their workers into the ground (thus producing cheaper crap) as well as a bunch of EXTREMELY IMPORTANT intellectual property protections. I work in media and every time someone bootlegs something it's that much less $ I get paid. It's like strong property rights, IP protections allow people the confidence to do business in that space.
Posted by brian on 2016-11-28 19:23:47
Sure there are flaws, but we need to work to eliminate tariffs. Does anyone here not know about Smoot-Hawley?
Posted by bryan083 on 2016-11-24 23:05:46
Wrong Rick. NAFTA was designed to lower tariffs and increase GDP. Jobs going overseas was a result, but not the goal.
Posted by bryan083 on 2016-11-24 22:09:25
Another article that simply ignores one of the worst aspects of TPP, the AIPAC-supported
clause that calls for punishing any business supporting the BDS boycott of Israel. But then
I keep forgetting that criticism of Israel is not permitted on pain of extreme punishment.
Posted by Cerberus79 on 2016-11-04 20:00:13
Really. And who is now rushing the agreement through while telling us it's 'good for farmers' and such while squelching discussion as of June 30?
Posted by Doug Bowman on 2016-10-27 16:09:25
Amen. I've been saying that since Bill's second term in 1996!
Posted by selfpotato on 2016-09-21 07:12:55
I guess that's part of the "lesser of two evils" voting procedure we have.
Posted by Bruce on 2016-09-19 07:52:09
YUP you are right
Posted by William Bednarz on 2016-09-12 11:45:21
People should remember that Trump's business experience is in making and accumulating wealth FROM them, not in generating wealth FOR them. It's true that Trump has employed a lot of people and it's also true that he has sold all of their labor at a profit, whether in ties (from China) and other branded products, hotel rooms, golf, casinos, or Trump University. Donald knows how to get money from YOU, the customer, and hire YOU at the hotel, the golf course or the casino. This is not relevant to making YOU, the citizen, "great again".
As for 2A, you can only fantasize about shooting people, you can't really do it.
Posted by FriendlyGoat on 2016-09-11 09:51:52
HE'S NOT PART OF THE BOYS CLUB.....
Posted by Rick on 2016-09-11 09:13:03
between the two, lesser of to evils. Iam voting for Trump because of his business experience and pro 2nd amendment. The Bill of Rights are for the people, we cant lose that or we're done...........
Posted by Rick on 2016-09-11 09:12:15
I believe they do.
Posted by Rick on 2016-09-11 09:07:49
NAFTA was never design to bring jobs to US. NAFTA was designed to move jobs over seas. Ross Perot got it right....
Posted by Rick on 2016-09-11 09:05:10
WHO OWNS THE MEDIA????????
Posted by Rick on 2016-09-11 08:58:04
President who cares about his legacy? He will be remembered as the weakest president ever. The middle class has been torn down and business's are making record profits thanks to NAFTA and now TPP. THIS COUNTRY NEEDS A REVOLUTION....
Posted by Rick on 2016-09-11 08:57:27
He renegotiated nafta, its called TPP....
Posted by Rick on 2016-09-11 08:51:30
Who remembers Ross Perot say when nafta is passed you will hear a sucking sound. He was right, we lost jobs to third world countries working for penny's. Thousands of jobs have been lost and now they want to pass TPP agreement. obama is out to destroy this country.
Posted by Rick on 2016-09-11 08:50:24
#1 These tribunals are not nearly as scary as suggested, and the tobacco companies are excempted - in other words, they can't sue countries for placing restriction on their products, which had been a problmem in the past.
#2 Fracking creates cheap natural gas, which it the #1 killer of coal - a much dirtier fuel.
#3. The sectors that are losing jobs because of technological changes will continue to do so, agreement or none. Respond to these trends, do not fight them.
#4 Reducing subsidies on food eliminates many imbalances - such as the subsidies that have made high fructose corn syrup a part of our diet.
That's all I got right now. But subsidies distort the economy.
Trade is good. We can compete with the rest of the world. We get cheaper stuff because of free trade.
Imbalances are not necessarily bad or indication of a problem.
Posted by brian on 2016-08-31 15:47:32
What pro-TPP arguments can you give us that will reveal that we are only afraid and ignorant?
BTW, I asked another pro-TPP poster this same question. They just doubled down on the "What hogwash!!" response.
Posted by Clarisse73 on 2016-08-31 02:20:46
Of the 218 Congressmen who voted to fast track the TPP, 190 were Republicans and 28 (including Debbie Wasserman Schultz) were Democrats. Of those Congressmen who voted against TPP, 158 were Democrats and 50 were Republicans.
FOR: 190 GOP/ 28 Dems
Against: 158 Dems/ 50 GOP
Posted by Clarisse73 on 2016-08-31 02:13:18
You are right about the RNC not liking Trump because, among other things, they couldn't control him. But now there are about 60+ days until the election in November and Trump is not doing that great. I'm thinking that, in this go-round, it'll be Trump's turn to get the shite kicked out of him.
Posted by Clarisse73 on 2016-08-31 01:48:31
There is no need for Republicans to "trump" President Obama on this trade deal. We should all have seen the writing on the wall when the TPP turned out to be the one thing with which Republicans and our President could happily agree.
Posted by Clarisse73 on 2016-08-31 01:43:06
Uncle Tom Obama once said that he would renegotiate NAFTA,but now he is toasting a glass of wine with his Canadian and Mexican amigos.
I am pretty sure Clinton is going to be flip-flopper on this one too.
Posted by Goodwork on 2016-08-28 05:11:04
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Posted by William Bednarz on 2016-08-12 12:25:33
Hillary's BIG PUSH for pay-off!
Posted by saulmonella on 2016-08-11 12:00:32
The MEDIA is the problem. What happened to investigative reporting or is just for the likes of Kardashians and other drivel.
Posted by saulmonella on 2016-08-11 11:59:28
was this written by a republican? because it sure sounds like it was written by a republican. ASIA'S TAKIN OUR JOBS! TRADE DEFICIT!
Posted by Nick Rockway on 2016-08-10 19:46:06
currency manipulation - have you checked the price of gold?? LOST HALF ITS VALUE OVERNIGHT??? Buy stock - a good deal it's going up?? then a large stockholder sells and it drops....buy cheap sell dear . . . but my dear your are being used. Bank Bailouts?? Foreclosures?? Housing bubble and your pension sinks.. The increased fees paid do not help - ask New Jersey as Governor Chris Christie doubled the fees paid to Wall Street, and announced people will not be able to afford the lifestyle they want.... To make sure he's right - he didn't make the agreed payments - 40 billion dollar shortfall...the pension loses on investments and more of a shortfall WHOSE HOLDING THE BAG??
Posted by William Bednarz on 2016-08-09 13:56:30
I would be interested to hear them, to better understand the issues. Thanks.
Posted by West Coast on 2016-08-06 20:50:31
How about removing basic human rights from our legal system?
Just google "Amnesty Int'l vs TPP" on dailykos.
Posted by notrupert on 2016-08-04 13:52:39
the shame is on the media for not reporting this - They are more wrong than he is, they were banking on making money on it at our expense
Posted by William Bednarz on 2016-08-03 17:29:38
This is hogwash. There are fundamental flaws in each of the arguments that don't hold up. Opposition to free trade deals is based on fear and ignorance.
Posted by brian on 2016-08-02 08:18:52
Thoughtful high-profile Republicans are the ones who limit their platform concerns exclusively to high-end tax cuts-----because of the substantial benefits they might receive-----or not.
Posted by FriendlyGoat on 2016-08-01 22:25:47
Your entry sounds like gibberish to me.
Posted by phillip sawicki on 2016-08-01 07:17:24
"Thoughtful high-profile Republicans"? Under what rock did you find them?
Posted by phillip sawicki on 2016-08-01 07:14:39
using an example which one has affect on 99 percent of population example the car...
if one try to import a car, first all part need to be conform with all safety standard, then government has right to put a tax on which one might makes it price higher than us manufactured items..
simplified, equalizing the differences of labor... then immediately doesn't matter what conditions under the foreign part made.. that is their own social problem.. not ours..
on other side, American manufacturers also need to be more efficient instead raising prices..
price shouldn't include union wages..
a practical business man would know how this trade agreement can benefit for us..
Posted by Viktor Zsigrai on 2016-07-31 11:33:48
The RNC dislikes Trumo because they can't control him and his success reveals how pointless and ineffectual they are. He kicked the shit out of the three you imagine the they prefer so your argument is dumb. And you're in for an unpleasant surprise in November. Should be fun to watch
Posted by UncleMikey515 on 2016-07-03 23:36:25
At this time, Donald has only been "wildly successful" in rallies and primaries with people who are already firmly in the right-wing camp. The general election-----where OTHERS weigh in-----has not yet been held. You may not be worried about it, but we hear that some thoughtful high-profile Republicans are.
Posted by FriendlyGoat on 2016-07-03 18:22:46
The "antics," as you call them, have been wildly successful. Not one of those three had the tiniest chance of winning. Try again
Posted by UncleMikey515 on 2016-07-03 18:07:54
Well, that's your opinion. I'm going to guess that Ryan and McConnell are worried Trump might lose on his antics alone and that, at this moment, they wish they were running Walker or Rubio or Kasich.
Posted by FriendlyGoat on 2016-07-03 15:12:41
Likelihood of victory has nothing to do with the RNC not liking Trump. He has a better chance of winning than any other candidate on the right
Posted by UncleMikey515 on 2016-07-03 14:55:43
A disastrous plan. Time to say, "No!"
Posted by Rob Bear on 2016-05-21 05:56:46
It is just another step towards one world order.
Posted by Bradley A Harris on 2016-05-17 11:23:56
He's not trying to push anything, he just has no idea what the hell he's talking about.
Posted by OneHits on 2016-05-17 04:18:08
So what is the cost of a 4 year college BS degree in India $5000? or $10,000 total for 4 years? The US degree is what about $50,000 to $80,000 plus. So how many countries can afford to pay a salary high enough to pay off that student loan? Those college grads will continue to live in the basement while working some part time service.
Posted by robert corbett on 2016-05-09 03:34:35
Obama thinks about "the people" every time he plays golf in Martha's Vineyard or Hawaii .......
Posted by robert corbett on 2016-05-09 03:23:45
You are so wrong..Republicans don't like this deal..it a terrible deal.. Who is pushing it through the Democrats? Hell even Bernie Sanders thinks this deal is bad! And I don't like Bernie only thing he and I agree on... SO What kind of crap are you trying to Push here??
Posted by Letts A on 2016-05-02 18:01:32
The RNC thinks this particular front-runner will lose to Hillary Clinton. Except for that, they'd like him fine.
Posted by FriendlyGoat on 2016-03-29 17:59:46
you bonehead
The RNC is actively trying to sabotage their on front-runner!
THINK!
Ask yourself Why?
Posted by jojo on 2016-03-29 17:46:09
So those people who are mad at Republicans for wanting these trade deals are going to put a Republican (Trump) in The White House to bring those other Republicans to heel? Because he runs as a Republican but says he's different while he has his ties made overseas? Plumb goofy.
Posted by FriendlyGoat on 2016-03-17 20:59:27
Most of the Republicans love this. It is pro corporation.
Posted by earthcaretaker on 2016-03-17 19:23:42
This is entirely the wrong way of looking at it. They're not flaws, they're features. The negatiators are smart people, they must have thought of these things. Meaning they purposefully left them in. After all, who cares about the middle class when corporations need to make MOAR MONEY!!!!!!!!
Posted by Biohazard89 on 2015-12-30 00:18:41
go to united students against sweatshops for connection to us campus movement against Vietnam China Honduras clothing manufacturers, 2005-2015 over 155 us schools represented. 12.21.2015 from public offices atlanta
Posted by Friend on 2015-12-22 01:11:37
The TPP is Economic TREASON! PLAIN AND SIMPLE.
Posted by NewCenturion on 2015-12-20 23:25:51
Republicans have the votes to trump Obama on this, don't they?
Posted by FriendlyGoat on 2015-12-19 22:21:42
Having worked with NAFTA, that program which was to bring more jobs to the US worker, the same game will happen. Here is an interesting issue, the business gets tax breaks for training and new equipment and the next year will get tax breaks when they go to another country. Five years later they move back to the US and get more tax breaks. Businees gets tax breaks for hiring workers, but those workers can be Green Card or H Visa workers. Make business pay for all retraining of laidoff workers. Small business in the US will take a hit with the US worker going down again. Good points, but who will listen. Expect the US to become like India, new grads with skills waiting to go to another country for employment.
Posted by 6384601 on 2015-12-19 13:39:58
What astonishes me most about TPP is that Obama thought the secret could be kept. He is evidently a president who cares about his legacy, and this agreement, along with its secrecy, flies in the face of everything he said in 2008. A whole lot of us thought he cared about the people, as evidently, did the Oslo Peace Prize Committee. A whole lot of us have been deceived. We did have a premonition, however. In one debate he commented that we would have to revisit Nafta, and that was killed in an instant.
Posted by larrysherk on 2015-12-19 11:48:15
It might be bad for the U.S. but I believe it will be even worse for Canada. Under the last trade agreement signed with the U.S. and Mexico Canada has been sued by corporations (for infringing their ability to make money because of our laws (sic)) more than any other country. This deal will only cement that state of affairs making us vulnerable to the same sort of predatory attacks by European corporations,welcome to the brave not new world of shadow economic deals.
Posted by Josiane Ochman on 2015-12-18 13:35:44
The TPP (Toilet Paper Protocol, for what it does to countries constitutions), 100% proof, of exactly who Uncle Tom Obama really is. The mask gone, the smooth talking puppetprompter reader stripped bare for the world to see.
Hope and change, but for who, the 1% and only for the 1%.
Posted by rtb61 on 2015-12-16 21:31:43
I agree with these flaws. These were basic implications that should have been known long ago, but were kept secret from us by our President and Congress. It's outrageous pushing forward even as the harm of current trade agreements - such as being forced to remove "country of origin" from meat and "dolphin safe" from tuna - are apparent.
Posted by sactoresident on 2015-12-16 12:26:05
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